Avoid These Tempting Startup Ideas
Y Combinator
29 min, 0 sec
Michael Seibel and Dalton Caldwell discuss startup ideas, focusing on 'tar pit' ideas that founders often pivot into and away from, explaining the challenges and providing advice on pivoting effectively.
Summary
- Tar pit ideas are alluring but statistically lead to the death of many startups due to founders not pivoting away quickly enough.
- These ideas often appear unique and appealing, with seemingly no competition, yet they trap founders like quicksand.
- Founders gravitate towards consumer ideas and tar pit ideas because they relate to them as consumers and are influenced by famous consumer startup stories.
- A successful pivot involves moving from a space with an oversupply of founders and low customer demand to an area with a low supply of founders and high customer demand.
Chapter 1
![The concept of 'tar pit' startup ideas is introduced along with the metaphor explaining their dangerous allure.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDYxLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--5015f24834647ea42ea03386ee4c938c6fa033a0/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_8.jpg)
The concept of 'tar pit' startup ideas is introduced along with the metaphor explaining their dangerous allure.
- Tar pit ideas are compared to natural tar pits where animals get stuck and die, drawing a parallel to startups that get trapped in certain ideas.
- These ideas seem like good opportunities with no apparent danger, enticing founders to pursue them without recognizing the hidden risks.
![The concept of 'tar pit' startup ideas is introduced along with the metaphor explaining their dangerous allure.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDYxLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--5015f24834647ea42ea03386ee4c938c6fa033a0/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_8.jpg)
Chapter 2
![Michael Seibel and Dalton Caldwell define tar pit ideas and discuss why they consistently attract founders.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDYzLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--2a9f5d3c2ba693a3332a776a0d4b5cb403b41724/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_35.jpg)
Michael Seibel and Dalton Caldwell define tar pit ideas and discuss why they consistently attract founders.
- Tar pit ideas are common and look appealing because they lack apparent competition and seem like fresh opportunities.
- Founders often pursue these ideas without realizing the challenges and fail to pivot away, leading to startup failures.
![Michael Seibel and Dalton Caldwell define tar pit ideas and discuss why they consistently attract founders.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDYzLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--2a9f5d3c2ba693a3332a776a0d4b5cb403b41724/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_35.jpg)
Chapter 3
![Exploration of why founders are drawn to consumer ideas and tar pit pitfalls due to personal experiences and famous founder stories.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDY1LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--2be0b59e644ca32dd52a14f1ea223ef87340db83/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_149.jpg)
Exploration of why founders are drawn to consumer ideas and tar pit pitfalls due to personal experiences and famous founder stories.
- Founders relate to consumer problems and therefore tend to develop solutions that they or their friends would use.
- Consumer startup stories are more commonly known, leading founders to mistakenly believe that all startups should be consumer-focused.
![Exploration of why founders are drawn to consumer ideas and tar pit pitfalls due to personal experiences and famous founder stories.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDY1LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--2be0b59e644ca32dd52a14f1ea223ef87340db83/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_149.jpg)
Chapter 4
![Discussion on the high bar for consumer products and the importance of timing in the success of consumer startups.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDY3LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--b99d7cf23e0c8deb2c878474386c01cbb00a90b0/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_343.jpg)
Discussion on the high bar for consumer products and the importance of timing in the success of consumer startups.
- Consumer products that succeed often do so without significant marketing, relying on the quality of the product and word-of-mouth.
- Timing is crucial; companies like Google and Facebook succeeded in part because they entered the market when competition was low and demand was high.
![Discussion on the high bar for consumer products and the importance of timing in the success of consumer startups.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDY3LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--b99d7cf23e0c8deb2c878474386c01cbb00a90b0/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_343.jpg)
Chapter 5
![A deep dive into what constitutes a tar pit idea and why founders become emotionally attached to them.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDY5LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--74b429ce76b1210dcfb6271a157a9fbcdbeb7582/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_496.jpg)
A deep dive into what constitutes a tar pit idea and why founders become emotionally attached to them.
- Tar pit ideas are those that many have tried and failed at, yet they remain enticing due to perceived opportunity and lack of obvious competition.
- Founders working on tar pit ideas are often defensive and emotionally invested, making it difficult to pivot even when faced with evidence of challenges.
![A deep dive into what constitutes a tar pit idea and why founders become emotionally attached to them.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDY5LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--74b429ce76b1210dcfb6271a157a9fbcdbeb7582/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_496.jpg)
Chapter 6
![Examples of common tar pit ideas are provided, highlighting the overconfidence among founders who believe they can overcome past failures.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDcxLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--1b9685def043f886ee6b18a7193b5d81685760c3/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_610.jpg)
Examples of common tar pit ideas are provided, highlighting the overconfidence among founders who believe they can overcome past failures.
- Discovery apps for restaurants, events, and music are common tar pit ideas, with founders convinced they can do better than predecessors.
- Founders are cautioned against underestimating the challenges and overestimating the market's need for these types of ideas.
![Examples of common tar pit ideas are provided, highlighting the overconfidence among founders who believe they can overcome past failures.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDcxLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--1b9685def043f886ee6b18a7193b5d81685760c3/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_610.jpg)
Chapter 7
![An explanation of supply and demand in the context of startup ideas, urging founders to consider market needs and their unique skill sets.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDczLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--f21d602e0244f25dd82fccc967e2206a0c319d47/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_735.jpg)
An explanation of supply and demand in the context of startup ideas, urging founders to consider market needs and their unique skill sets.
- Startup ideas with a high supply of interested founders but low demand from the market are tar pits.
- Founders with unique skills and insight into specific industries have a better chance of success by addressing high-demand, underserved areas.
![An explanation of supply and demand in the context of startup ideas, urging founders to consider market needs and their unique skill sets.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDczLCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--f21d602e0244f25dd82fccc967e2206a0c319d47/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_735.jpg)
Chapter 8
![The strategy behind successful pivoting is to transition from oversaturated ideas to niches with high demand and less competition.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDc1LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--dc97a84fb371a010db7515616f98d75e5f153f3c/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_825.jpg)
The strategy behind successful pivoting is to transition from oversaturated ideas to niches with high demand and less competition.
- Pivoting to areas with less founder competition and higher customer demand greatly increases the odds of startup success.
- Examples of successful pivots are shared, demonstrating the benefits of moving away from commonly pursued ideas.
![The strategy behind successful pivoting is to transition from oversaturated ideas to niches with high demand and less competition.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDc1LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--dc97a84fb371a010db7515616f98d75e5f153f3c/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_825.jpg)
Chapter 9
![Founders are encouraged to leverage their unique experiences and insights to create startups that address less common but significant problems.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDc3LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--f94a1e51a839ead6302fda78dac7a1599c62ed34/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_1294.jpg)
Founders are encouraged to leverage their unique experiences and insights to create startups that address less common but significant problems.
- Founders from diverse backgrounds with specialized knowledge are urged to see themselves as potential startup founders.
- The startup ecosystem is not limited to popular consumer apps, and founders should consider solving complex industry-specific problems.
![Founders are encouraged to leverage their unique experiences and insights to create startups that address less common but significant problems.](https://www.videogist.co/rails/active_storage/representations/redirect/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6MTI5NDc3LCJwdXIiOiJibG9iX2lkIn19--f94a1e51a839ead6302fda78dac7a1599c62ed34/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsiZGF0YSI6eyJmb3JtYXQiOiJqcGciLCJyZXNpemVfdG9fbGltaXQiOls3MjAsbnVsbF19LCJwdXIiOiJ2YXJpYXRpb24ifX0=--c9426325207613fdd890ee7713353fad711030c7/7591_1294.jpg)
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