J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1980 - Small Group Discussion - Thought is the beginning of desire

An in-depth dialogue about the intricacies of the mind, the process of thought, and the nature of desire and pleasure.

Summary

  • The conversation delves into why individuals live in a state of duality, experiencing internal conflict between what is and the ideals of what should be.
  • The discussants explore how thought and perception lead to desire, and whether love can be equated with attachment or pleasure.
  • The origin of desire is examined, alongside the societal and personal implications of attempting to control or suppress it.
  • The dialogue also touches on the human tendency to create images and the pursuit of security through these mental constructs.
  • The importance of recognizing that the thinker is not separate from thought is emphasized to understand the root of conflict and duality.

Chapter 1

The State of Mind and Questioning Life

0:21 - 2 min, 23 sec

A discussion about the development of the mind and why people accept the status quo without questioning.

A discussion about the development of the mind and why people accept the status quo without questioning.

  • The conversation begins by addressing how individuals develop their minds until their 20s or 30s and then find a niche in society.
  • It is observed that many people do not question why they accumulate conflicts, which leads to a narrowed mind with little space.
  • The questioner asks why the mind does not flower even when one earnestly questions, and why few people ask serious questions about life.

Chapter 2

Seeking Answers and the Difficulty of Finding Guidance

2:47 - 1 min, 30 sec

The dilemma of seeking guidance on breaking free from societal constraints and finding someone to ask serious questions.

The dilemma of seeking guidance on breaking free from societal constraints and finding someone to ask serious questions.

  • A person caught in a narrow existence may seek guidance from psychologists, priests, or intellectuals, only to find they are like everyone else.
  • The difficulty lies in finding an individual who can provide serious answers without being lost in theories or having not lived the answers themselves.

Chapter 3

Understanding 'Flowering' and the Role of Freedom

4:26 - 1 min, 17 sec

Delving into the concept of 'flowering' and the necessity of freedom for personal growth.

Delving into the concept of 'flowering' and the necessity of freedom for personal growth.

  • The questioner seeks to understand what 'to flower' means, and it is explained that freedom is essential for flowering.
  • Freedom is not a reaction nor a choice but a state without motive or escape, and it must be psychological rather than external.

Chapter 4

The Bondage of Psychological Attachments

5:46 - 1 min, 48 sec

Discussing the psychological slaveries and attachments that prevent the mind from flowering.

Discussing the psychological slaveries and attachments that prevent the mind from flowering.

  • The discussion points out that we are slaves to our psychological attachments, including opinions, beliefs, and doctrines.
  • To achieve freedom and allow the mind to flower, one must be free from these psychological bonds.

Chapter 5

The Individual and the Collective Human Experience

7:34 - 31 sec

Exploring the relationship between the individual and the collective human psyche.

Exploring the relationship between the individual and the collective human psyche.

  • Each person is not just an individual but embodies the collective psychological experiences of mankind, such as fear and anxiety.
  • Acknowledging that we are mankind is the first step to understanding the human condition.

Chapter 6

The Illusion of Attachment and the Nature of Love

8:06 - 3 min, 43 sec

Examining the concepts of attachment and love, and questioning whether love is merely an attachment.

Examining the concepts of attachment and love, and questioning whether love is merely an attachment.

  • Attachment is often mistaken for love, but it brings with it fear, uncertainty, and a desire for security.
  • The notion of love being an attachment is challenged, and the question arises whether love can coexist with fear and uncertainty.

Chapter 7

Desire, Pleasure and the Stability of Relationships

11:49 - 4 min, 13 sec

Debating the role of desire and pleasure in relationships and their impact on love's stability.

Debating the role of desire and pleasure in relationships and their impact on love's stability.

  • The conversation shifts to the role of desire and pleasure in relationships, questioning whether they represent love.
  • The concept of love at first sight (coup de foudre) is discussed, and its relationship to sensuality and the stability of relationships.

Chapter 8

The Mechanics of Desire

16:02 - 5 min, 34 sec

Analyzing how desire arises from thought and the process leading to its creation.

Analyzing how desire arises from thought and the process leading to its creation.

  • The origin of desire is dissected, showing how perception, contact, sensation, and thought's creation of an image lead to desire.
  • The role of imagination in solidifying desire and the pursuit of pleasure as a fundamental human drive are explored.

Chapter 9

Desire and the Movement of Thought

21:36 - 8 min, 39 sec

Understanding the connection between thought, desire, and the creation of images.

Understanding the connection between thought, desire, and the creation of images.

  • The relationship between thought and desire is further examined, emphasizing how thought creates images that fuel desire.
  • The discussion delves into the question of why thought persistently creates images and the potential role of pleasure in this process.

Chapter 10

The Pursuit of Security Through Mental Constructs

30:15 - 11 min, 25 sec

Exploring the human tendency to seek security through the construction of mental images.

Exploring the human tendency to seek security through the construction of mental images.

  • The conversation turns to the human pursuit of security through mental images, which leads to attachment and the illusion of stability.
  • The role of images in providing comfort and the avoidance of facing the reality of living things are discussed.

Chapter 11

Duality and Conflict: The Division of the Self

41:40 - 18 min, 12 sec

Investigating the reasons behind the human condition of living in a state of duality and internal conflict.

Investigating the reasons behind the human condition of living in a state of duality and internal conflict.

  • The speakers probe the human condition of duality, such as the conflict between violence and non-violence, and question why this division exists.
  • The notion of time and distance as factors in creating duality is introduced, with the hope that time will resolve the conflict.

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