Jaron Lanier Looks into AI's Future | AI IRL

Bloomberg Originals

Bloomberg Originals

24 min, 1 sec

In this interview, Jaron Lanier, a pioneer in the field of virtual reality, shares his insights on the dark side of technology, the progression of artificial intelligence (AI), the concept of data dignity, and the potential dangers of deepfakes. He also touches upon the importance of data providence and encourages tech companies to embrace regulation.

Summary

  • Lanier discusses his background as a pioneer of virtual reality, and his transition to a critic of the industry.
  • He critiques the current state of AI, arguing that it's just a way for people to work together. He proposed a different approach, which he named virtual reality.
  • Lanier talks about the concept of data dignity, where the producers of data should be compensated for their contributions. He believes that this could be a way to combat fraud and improve the business performance of tech companies.
  • He expresses concern about the impact of AI on democracy, particularly in the context of chatbots and deepfakes.
  • Lanier suggests that knowing the provenance of data is crucial in understanding and regulating AI outputs.
  • He believes that tech companies should be open to regulation, and that politicians should be more assertive in challenging tech companies.

Chapter 1

Introduction and Background

0:00 - 28 sec

Jaron Lanier talks about his background in Silicon Valley and his role as a pioneer in virtual reality.

Jaron Lanier talks about his background in Silicon Valley and his role as a pioneer in virtual reality.

  • Lanier was among the original Silicon Valley visionaries, with grand ideas of what the internet could be before PCs, cell phones, or social media were prevalent.
  • He pioneered virtual reality in the 1980s and has sold multiple companies to Google, Adobe, and Oracle.
  • Despite his criticism of the industry he helped build, he still chooses to be a part of it, currently working at Microsoft.

Chapter 2

Criticism of AI

0:28 - 1 min, 22 sec

Lanier discusses his criticism of AI and his belief in the concept of virtual reality.

Lanier discusses his criticism of AI and his belief in the concept of virtual reality.

  • Lanier had been critical of AI since his early career, believing that AI is a way for people to work together, instead of creating an artificial entity.
  • He proposed an alternative approach, which he named 'virtual reality'.
  • Despite his criticism, Lanier expressed optimism about the potential of AI and the tech industry.

Chapter 3

Data Dignity

1:50 - 6 min, 9 sec

Lanier presents his idea of 'data dignity', arguing for compensation for those who contribute data used to train AI models.

Lanier presents his idea of 'data dignity', arguing for compensation for those who contribute data used to train AI models.

  • He believes that the producers of data should be compensated, especially if the data is used to train algorithms.
  • Lanier argues that paying for services is a form of freedom, as it prevents manipulation from those who would otherwise offer 'free' services.
  • He criticizes the expectation of free services, arguing that this leads to manipulation by those who profit from it.

Chapter 4

Deepfakes and the Importance of Data Providence

7:58 - 6 min, 33 sec

Lanier discusses the potential dangers of deepfakes and emphasizes the importance of data providence.

Lanier discusses the potential dangers of deepfakes and emphasizes the importance of data providence.

  • Lanier argues that tracking the providence of data is the only way to combat fraud, including deepfakes.
  • He illustrates this point by explaining how AI combines data from various sources, and that by knowing the origins of this data, we can reject manipulative or harmful outputs.
  • Lanier believes that regulation should be based on data providence, and asserts that tech companies should be open to such regulation.

Chapter 5

Future of AI and Tech Industry

14:31 - 8 min, 59 sec

Lanier shares his thoughts on the future of AI and the tech industry, advocating for more regulation and open conversation.

Lanier shares his thoughts on the future of AI and the tech industry, advocating for more regulation and open conversation.

  • Lanier urges tech companies to embrace regulation, arguing that it provides a stable layer for creativity and free enterprise.
  • He criticizes the libertarian streak in tech culture that views all regulation as suspect.
  • Lanier believes that tech companies should allow more free speech within their organizations, asserting that this could improve their business performance.

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